Wednesday, November 01, 2006

Iraqi Soldiers Not "Standing Up"

Three and a half years of training, and this is the result.


Nat-Wu said...

Well, you know, it takes a long, long time to build a professional army. We've been rebuilding ours since the dark days after the Vietnam war, and now I'd put our troops up against anyone in the world for readiness, training, and experience. Iraq's "professional" army was mostly a conscript army that had about enough much professionalism to be called a militia. The only units that were decent at all were their "elite" Republican Guards, guys who got to train using actual ammunition. They were still never in the same category ours were. The best thing to do would have been to remove these guys from Iraq for training, and keep them away for months. But we couldn't afford to do that. There are those who thought the Iraqi army was going to be rebuilt in the middle of a civil war. They've been proven wrong.

Xanthippas said...

Good point. I didn't mean to imply that after 3 1/2 years, Iraq's army should be completely ready to take the field a la our own military. And I agree with you completely that the need to throw these guys out as soon as possible has only made it less likely they'd be able to fight.

Fan Boy said...

Gentleman, this does not come down to training. You can train a dog to kill and give its life. However if that dog does not believe there is a threat or the dog does not see the value in protecting the owner, the dog will let someone come up straight to it and put a bullet in its brain.

Simple yes - dogs are terrritorial because they believe what they have is thiers and they will die before they let an intruder have because they believe thier right to be there is more than that of n intruder.

In Iraq these soldiers don't believe the message, the don't see the value in protecting the country by killing people they have called friends. These soldiers don't have the raw blind patriotism to something larger than them that provokes them to fight, kill, mame, and destory those opossing them.

American soldiers are a killing machine from incpetion to deployment. We are not peacekeepers, our force is tactical and overpowering.

The Iraqis have no hope in haveing a true standing army until Iraqis believe in what they are doing, that it is making things better, and when evil and good are more aligned to our cause than the insurgents.

Xanthippas said...

Good point Fan Boy.