Thursday, November 09, 2006

Evangelical Politics

Is it the beginning of the end of the political domination of conservative evangelical Christianity? Charles Pierce says the job's just begun:

Its revival was cultural and political, not spiritual, and those secular underpinnings have crumbled under the combined weight of the knowledge now becoming general among the folks in question that a) a lot of their leaders are towering moral and personal hypocrites, and b) that, like David Kuo and John DiIulio before him, they have been played for suckers by politicians who don't deliver. The problem is not with their's the fact that it was put to use in areas where it had no business being in the first place, and it was inevitably used to further the more reactionary parts of the GOP agenda and, thereby, became publicly radicalized. It was an extremist religion to begin with, and it has become an extremist political movement. It can survive as the former...It has to be crushed as the latter, as do all the other enabling mechanisms of what passes for modern conservatism. Marginalize the worst of it.. That job began the other night.


Fan Boy said...

The world has shifted but it has not changed. For better or worse depending on your view Evangelical or faith based voters will be around and will influence voting.


With the centralization of ideologies between the two parties in this countries and the absentism of any true liberals Evangelicals offer us something of public value.

The value is in the debate of right versus wrong, what is our moral compass that we make our decisions by, what are the different sides of an idea? These are all examples.

Further more Evangelicals in this country have felt overlooked, undervalued, and have seen the safety of thier jobs, families, and churches erode to the highest crime rates in the industrialized world.

They are standing up for what they believe in and are patriots to the US and believe in the constitution. You may disgaree with thier views, with methodologies, and beliefs but they believe in civic value, and we can't wish to marginalize another part of our country so that more have power.

This country is about public debate of all views and you should not confuse Evangelical desire, debate, and sincerity with its politization for elected officials benifits.

I am not a modern conservative, I am a classical conservative with his roots in beliefs about politics and our freedoms that came before the seed of this country was formed.

Xanthippas said...

I very much agree that evangelicals have a place in politics. And like I said in an earlier post, I do not believe that evangelicals in general want to keep Schiavo alive indefinitely, ban all legal rights for gays, and force kids to pray before a copy of the ten commandments in the classroom. But the evangelical movement has allowed itself to be represented politcally by evangelicals who do believe such things, to the detriment of our country. I very much believe that our political system needs to incorporate people with a greater range of political and religious values, and I support that trend among conservative evangelicals as well.

Fan Boy said...

I believe the Evangelical base will shift and morph with the who is in power.

That is not to say that thier minds will change about key issues, but the realities of what can be done working with Democrats will not go unnoticed by those with a voice.

I am for a strong seperation of church and state, I believe that will be the focus of the new leadership dealing with a Democratic congress and president.

I will say I am a conservative Evangelical and I believe in Gay marriage, I believe in peoples rights, I don't believe in legislating somebody's body.

The reason is because when I go to a poll and vote, I vote on my American Citizenship not on my personal faith, but still on my morals.

God told us to be apart from the world not to legislate it. Those in the Evangelical movement to the right have lost that center and lost sight of why seperation is important.